She Wants To Help You Reach Your Potential and RESET the Way You Think

(Last Updated On: May 11, 2021)

The Freddy “O” Show Episode #8: Jen Sugermeyer Wants To Help You Reach Your Potential and RESET the Way You Think About Yourself.

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Jen Sugermeyer, a Virginia native, is now a truck driving, Texan that lives with her cat, Booger, in the great city of Dallas. For the last 15 years, Jen has worked in corporations around the globe; Washington, DC, Afghanistan, Virginia, California, Texas and even spent a couple years in Italy.
When she isn’t writing or coaching, you’ll find Jen globe trotting (been to 49 countries), boxing (watch out, she’s a southpaw with a reach!), exercising, being both in front of and behind the camera, spending time at the lake, and hanging out with friends, family, and doting over her niece, Olive. Jen embarked on the fight of her life- for her life- and she aims to share her strength and encourage others to claim the life they deserve!


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Episode #7 Podcast Transcript


Freddy Owen: Today on the radio show, Jen Sugarmeyer, she wants to help you reach potential and RESET the way you think about yourself. And he's a southpaw boxer. And I love boxing. You ready to get in the ring? This is gonna be fun.


My Beautiful Wife: Thank you for listening to the Freddy “O” show, a podcast devoted to you the listener, your purpose, your mindset and your marketing efforts designed to help you go to that next level. Now, here's your host, Freddy O!


Freddy Owen:  Welcome to episode number eight of the Freddy “O” Show. This is your host Freddy O, and Wow, what a wonderful day to be alive. Sometimes. It's hard to say that for some people out there, and I get it. Life can be rough sometimes. But remember this if you feel a pulse on your wrist. Now go ahead, feel your wrist. If you feel a pulse in your wrist and a breath in your chest. You still have a fighting chance to turn things around. Seriously, get up and never give up. That is one of the prime reasons I have so many guests on that are basically about mindset because I think it's a crucial, crucial thing to help people out in this day and age. Honestly, right now is a rough time for a lot of people. And I'm praying for you seriously, I'm praying for you. I pray that if you are stuck in a situation, if you're mentally having a rough time, I pray that you get out of it. And you realize that you were created with a plan and a purpose. Believe that, like Roman Reigns says believe that. Okay, now before we get rocking and rolling, I wanted to say thank you to you so much for tuning in today. It's always a pleasure to have you aboard and I mean that from the bottom of my heart, a quick friendly reminder that you can access all podcast show notes from today's episode at win with Fred calm. Also the radio shows available on these other financial Apple podcast Spotify Google podcast Stitcher, I Heart Radio Podcast attic, pod chaser Deezer overcast pocket casts Castro and castbox I truly appreciate your support it means the world to me. Now as we entered the ring Are you guys ready to get the ring? I am. Okay. Yep, a lot of boxing references today. I love boxing. We have a special guests best selling author Jen sugar Meyer lacing up the gloves. Jen, welcome to the radio show super pumped to have you aboard.


Jen Sugermeyer: Hey, thanks for having me.


Freddy Owen: So let's get things cooking. I know you have a pretty compelling story. So who is Jen sugar Meyer? Oh, wow. Well, the


Jen Sugermeyer: last 15 years I have spent in corporate doing everything from working down at the Department of State in Washington DC to working over in Afghanistan to working in the public and private sector in corporate America. So that's a little bit on my professional side. My my background which has led me to where I am today with having released to number one bestsellers. And now life coach and motivational speaker has a whole lot of content behind that. So if you'd like, I can go ahead and dig into that. Or if you want to ask specific questions we can can lead up to all that, but


Freddy Owen: I want to dig into your story. So let's rock and roll with that.


Jen Sugermeyer: All right, so back when I was 12, believe it or not, we going back that far, my life started with an eating disorder. And I really I learned to live this double life at that at that age. And I mentioned that I bring it back that far, because there are these things in our lives that sometimes we don't even realize are happening, and yet they shape us into who we are as an adult. So I learned at a very young age to have this double life and to keep hidden what I didn't want people to see. And all of a sudden here I am in my mid 30s. And even though I've been very successful in my career, I worked up to being a senior director and in corporate America, and again, I traveled all over the world been to 49 countries very successful, a lot of lot of things happening in my life. And yet here I was, like leading another double life as an alcoholic. And I just did not recognize the person that was in the mirror. And it was a very, it was a very unmanageable life for me to live. And everything that was happening behind the scenes, which you couldn't see was really eating at my soul. And it was it was taking my joy I was in and out of jails and hospitals and you know, the unmanageability was was more than than I could really take and I was getting to the point I was very suicidal. And so my life was sort of this disaster that was unraveling before my eyes. So what seemed to be a long time ago kind of innocent and, you know, this, this eating disorder and and I sort of had somewhat control over that had become spiraled completely out of control. By the time I was in my mid 30s, so it was over two decades of dealing with these these two lives.


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Freddy Owen: So when you say their eating disorder, is it because I I've never had one? Well, I've over eaten. I've eaten terrible. I'm actually on the fast track right now trying to get back into shape. But when you say eating disorder, were you chasing something with this eating disorder?


Jen Sugermeyer: You know, I, that's a great question. I, you know, I'm six foot one, believe it or not, and I got real tall real fast. By the time I was 14 years old, I was about six feet tall and entering High School. You know, if there's one thing I wish I could have told myself then is that being unique is is I believe a blessing. But when you're that age, you want to look like everyone else. And so I was tall and a little round. And I had ventured and I had heard of these eating disorders, and I thought that was a great way to kind of stay slender or get slender if you will. Because I knew both being tall and round wasn't what I wanted. And there was nothing I could do about being tall. And so I was not happy with who I was. And that's what the fundamental at the core, that's what it was. I did not like who I was when I looked in the mirror. And so I tried to control that and that was through what it what started as as an eating disorder.


Freddy Owen: And then you said you went to as you got older, you went to alcohol. And the thing is, is what you're saying is I think a lot of people have gone through but you're just you've just been strong enough to put it on the forefront and to put it out there so you can tell people how you overcame those those issues. Am I correct?


Jen Sugermeyer: That's right. And you know, and it was a, you know, being in the corporate world and being where I was there was so much stigma Around stepping out and saying, Hey, I dealt with these issues. And there's, there's, you know, I think we're afraid to say the word mental health, I think we're afraid, you know of what our company is going to think of us or if we're going to lose our job or what our friends or family are going to say. And the reality is that so many of us are dealing with things and now mine may have been an eating disorder or alcoholism or whatever addiction I was dealing with at the time. But we as humans, that the fundamental problem of what started when I was 12 was the same thing that I realized that when I was 35 years old, that hey, you know what, I don't know who I am and I become disconnected. And I was not happy with the person that I was. And so I had tried for so long to go after what I thought was the symptom, right, treat the Bolivia treat the alcoholism, treat, you know, stop smoking cigarettes, whatever I was going through at that time, but really, the problem was made. And so that's why I've taken such a firm stance on speaking up because So many of us are dealing with this and yet we just don't want to say anything because of the fear of the repercussions.


Freddy Owen: What do you think is the best definition of happiness?


Jen Sugermeyer: Well, um, you know, I think there's a level of peace that you have happiness is I looked at so many people for so long. And I thought, Man, they look happy. They have kids or man, they look happy, they have money, or they have, they look happy, they're married. And that's, that's, I chased these things that I saw that other people had. And really, it's a it's a, it's defined by the person, I think, yes, a lot of those things can can bring what we consider happiness, but it's really where do we feel at peace? Where is our it's a state of mind. It's a mindset. And it doesn't always include, you know, a spouse or kids or a lot of wealth or some of the things that it might be to others but where you feel at peace and content with your own life.


Freddy Owen: I 100% agree with that. That's a great answer. Peace. content, cuz there's certain things that people Chase, like you said, I've chased things. For me it was the feeling of actually feeling good and not necessarily drugs, but I would supplements and then you would go into the alcohol aspect of it, you know, and with his COVID alcohol is like the number one go to for a lot of people that's I take a walk and every time I'm walking, I go by this, I go by a liquor store and that place is consistently packed. You know, the cars are completely filling up the parking lot and people are going towards that right now. And, and I actually at one point did that and I finally luckily I realized that I was like, Wait a second, what am I doing? What am I doing? It's It's tough. Life is tough. You know, and I think it's, it's something that people they don't understand what happiness really is. You know, having a lot of money doesn't make you happy. Being the coolest kid in classes and make you happy, as long as you're yourself, you know, if you're trying if you're if you wear a mask, I think that's a huge problem when you wear a mask and you think that that's gonna define who you are. Because it's not you, I people know me as Fred. I'm a funny guy. And I love just being myself. I love making people laugh. That's and sometimes at my own expense. I had sort of the same situation you went through in school I got picked on a lot and but it's just something that happiness is peace. I love that. I love how you just said that happiness is peace. So when did you actually realize that you were happy?


Jen Sugermeyer: You know, I so. So I'll talk a little bit about my my sobriety if I can and how that all came about and you know I tried for a decade I acknowledged for about 15 years that I had a problem with alcohol and for 10 years, I was trying so many different things and and I you know, neuro linguistic programming acupuncture hypnosis groups, I mean just cold turkey whatever I was trying and and I kept trying to to quit something and I would always do this if then if I got into a relationship then I would be happy and I would stop drinking and if I would get this job then I would be happy and I would stop drinking and I I went through this for 10 years and finally I was dating someone and and we sat down and he told me seven words and these seven words changed the course of my entire life and and I hold on to these daily and he could not have been more spot on he said Jen, you need to learn to love yourself and I when I heard those words they they touched me emotionally because you know, I, I was a blackout drunk and and a lot of times when people express care concern it was sort of in a negative way or I was getting arrested or whatever whatever whatever was happening was kind of negative. And here was someone that said you need to learn to love yourself and I just I just I, I saw this person being alone for the rest of her life and that was never the life that I had envisioned. And so I really I just like addicts do we get into something and we go all the way and I committed for the first time which is the first step in my program and we can talk about that here in a bit, but is really committing to to change. And so I went on this most the most amazing exploration which now I've trademarked and I wrote my my first bestseller on the journey that I took. So my happiness it Almost as soon as I started to commit to myself and say, You know what, Jen, you're going to commit to finding that five year old child that was going to be on stage and was going to be a singer and was so confident in herself that you lost somewhere along the way. So there was almost an immediate once I started to change my mindset, and then it took a good seven or eight months for me to really, really see big transformations. I mean, it was a step by step process, there were phases through this and I still grow every day, even though you know, I've had years of sobriety now. I still grow and I still find more happiness, my life gets better every day. But it was a process. And and so, you know, I think that continues to evolve. And it's something we have to continue to seek after so. So that that was that was a lot of information there. But I think it's important to kind of set the foundation of where that started. And it was with those seven words and saying, You know what, I need to find that person again, because it's not these answers. It's hilarious, then it's not the you know, if you stop drinking, it's it's not doing neuro linguistic programming or hypnosis. It was me which can all help, but it was reconnecting with myself. And that's where I found happiness.


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Freddy Owen: So, eight months, it was a process, obviously, yes. You know, the seven, the seven words. When he said that, or she said that, what was your response?


Jen Sugermeyer: Well, I think I froze for about 20 minutes. And, you know, and I did, I saw this vision of this five year old child who was just so excited about life and disappointed looking at our 35 year old self and then, you know, I saw this this person that was alone in her future and that was never how I saw myself. So kind of weird when I got out of all these, these thoughts that were flooding my brain. I looked at this gentleman and I told him I said, You know, I commit to you I commit to us and I most importantly, Commit to myself to learning to love myself. And that was we didn't have much more to say after that, and our relationship didn't last much longer after that, but I continue to commit to myself and I have been sober ever since May 13 is still my sobriety date. So it was a very impactful seven words, but it really changed everything in my life.


Freddy Owen: Well, it goes without saying we have things that we buy, we have friends that we take care of, a lot of times when you if you really look at look at it, I've done this before where I would take care of you know, I would make sure that this friend was okay this that friend was okay of the car super clean. But then when I looked at myself in the mirror, I didn't see anything you know, you you look past herself, and you don't take care of yourself and how can you take care of somebody if you can't take care of yourself? How can you breathe into somebody's life if you can't breathe into your own life and I love that you can, you know, life's tough Like we talked about, and it's the way you, you know, respond to it, and then look in the mirror and say, Wow, I do love you, you know, I need to focus on you, and then I can focus on other people. Because I think that was one of my biggest flaws myself was a flaw of taking care of other people, but not really taking care of myself and down the road, it's gonna it's gonna have its consequences. You know, with health, like you talk about health, gaining weight, you start feeling terrible, and you know, you don't take care of how you look on the outside, but you have a facade. So I think that's great those, take care of yourself, love yourself, and realize your self worth. Am I correct in saying that?


Jen Sugermeyer: 100% and that's exactly why they tell you on an airplane, put your mask on before you help others because if you can't breathe, you can't help others. And I think sometimes we think it's so selfish of us, you know, maybe we have kids or spouse family. We're taking care of things and, and so we almost think it's selfish to take care of us. But if you can't breathe, if you don't have that engine kicking on the inside, you can still give to others. But I tell you what, I am able to give more now that I take care of myself that I have, that I'm in a healthy state of mind than I ever could when I wasn't. So it's not selfish, you're able to give more. I think it's selfless for you to be taking care of yourself. That's how you can give more.


Freddy Owen: So let's switch gears a little bit. You talk about like, for instance, you got your website, you you really put yourself out there. And that's, that's, that's awesome. How hard was that was, were you very fearful at first, were you like, I'm just gonna go ahead and do it. And as an entrepreneur speaking, you know, doing this, were you afraid of what the response was going to be or where you'd like, you know what if this is me, this is how it's going to be And this is how I'm gonna do it.


Jen Sugermeyer: And I think that that sort of like a wall coming down, you know, it doesn't, you know, usually it doesn't just implode and it's all there. But But my, my wall came down in pieces. And at first I wanted to come out under a different alias, I wanted to have, you know, a name for my book, I didn't want to come out as Jim sugar Meyer, and when I put my social media out there, I went under the name of Jay show again, you know, I just, it was a process for me, it is extremely vulnerable. And I and I talked about vulnerability as part of some of the foundational steps in my methodology as well as that, you know, in order to, in order to really reap rewards, we have to take risk and we have to allow ourselves, you know, to be vulnerable in the process. And I, it, it was, it was something I wanted, but I had to kind of take the steps in order to get there. So, you know, it's my for my mom. She was at one of my speeches last year. And she looked at me and she said, Is this weird that, you know, me and your father are here? And I looked down at her? And I said, Yeah, you know, it is because you're talking about things that, you know, you can talk to a perfect stranger and say, yeah, I'm going through, you know, whatever. But you look at some of the people that you care about the most. And you you admit to them some things that you tried for decades to hide from them, because you didn't want to hurt them. And at least that was your perception. Right? And, and really, they wanted and all it did was keep you keep a wedge in between you and them. So yeah, it's a process and it took me time, but But yeah, it's all out there now.


Freddy Owen: Well, as far as your relationship with your parents, it's obviously got better because you're able to open up to them, no matter how, no matter how long It took you still did it.


Jen Sugermeyer: And, you know, I realized I found that across the board in all areas of my life, not just my parents, but with friendships with, you know, my dating life, you know, I was married and I'm divorced. And every area of my life, I could not have that close of personal relationships if I was trying to hide anything, period. And so as soon as I started to expose myself and and, and there was a lot more I talked about in the book as well. I mean, there's an ebb and flow that that happens naturally between relationships. And if you're holding things back, like I was very, I don't need any help. I got this. I don't want to have any IO use. So Jen sugar Meyer can take care of herself. I can do everything myself. I can get through this myself. I was very stubborn about that. And so I think, you know, not being able to share that area of my life and accepting help. This could be in painting my house. I mean, it could be in anything, but there's this flow that happens. And so in order to get close to not just by parents, but other people, it's about getting honest. It's about accepting help. It's about having an open communication people. And I lacked that across all areas. So I could only go so deep in all of my relationships.


Freddy Owen: Okay, yes. Quick question. When you finally did do that, and you realize that, you know what, I'm going to do it this way, the feedback, where, because we always create things in our head, we always do As humans, we create things, we create scenarios, okay, they're gonna react to this, they're gonna react to that I'm scared of this. This is gonna happen. I mean, we worry about 99.9% of time. It never does happen. It does happen. The feedback, did you lose a lot of friends or where do you like, it wasn't the other way around.


Jen Sugermeyer: Um, you know, I definitely had built it up in my head. As you said, I think great granted, much Much bigger than what it actually was. And I think when people as humans, we're just curious, well, what's actually going on. And so we make up things in our mind until we actually know once we know then we're able to relate. So once people were able to relate with me, you know, there there was this either sympathy or empathy or there was a connection or there was just a better understanding. And so we were able to grow deeper together. I didn't lose a lot of friends in fact, if anything, I started assessing who really was a close friend in my life and and as part of my methodology I go through and I looked at people places things and ideologies and what didn't fit in my life. So if anything, I did the assessment on my end to say, do you bring that value to my life? But in terms of me coming out, yeah, I'm sure you anytime you're going to get the good with the bad I would be completely false. If I stood here and said I've not had any, you know, anybody come out and say something that was negative in nature, but the percentage compared to the positivity that I've received, it's completely worth it if you if someone approaches you and says, Well, thank you so much for your honesty, that's changed my life, or that's impacted my life. Doesn't matter what anybody else has done. There's over, there's almost 8 billion people in this world, he can't make more happy


Freddy Owen: and true. And a lot of times I think that when you are honest like that, it brings out the, what they're going through as well, like you just said, and the people I think that might give you a hard time, those are just people in denial, I could be wrong. But people are in denial. They don't want to accept the fact that you know what, I have some issues, I gotta handle even the smallest of issues. You know, you don't have to have like, your story is pretty traumatic. You don't have to have a big story like that to be going through something. To be a better person to look at yourself in the mirror and say I can change this. I need to start doing It now but I had to rely on, you know me and I have to, you know, do it for me, not for anybody else. Do it for me. So your two books, you have one that you just came out with. And that was defining your boundaries. So yes, no playbook to what you want in life. And you also have reset, where you take your readers on a journey to reclaim power of their life, their mindset, and to learn love to learn love to love and respect themselves. We're writing those books. What kind of journey was that? How was that? You know, how that worked out for you.


Jen Sugermeyer: So reset was is the exact journey that I took to get a handle on my life to reclaim my life back and everything in there. Well, in both of the books, everything is what I what I went through and what I've learned along the way. And I've tried to boil that down into a methodology that's that's that people are also going on through through their own journey. So I share a lot about my own story and I get I have a lot of food for thought there's a lot of questions in there and and so it's written really to be a self help book.


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Jen Sugermeyer: When I wrote a chapter in reset on standards and boundaries, I was I was in San Diego at the time and when I wrote that chapter and when you're writing you do a lot of research and self reflection and and you know, all things that I had gone through, but you still you there's a lot of research and thought that goes on behind that. And when I was done with the chapter on standards and boundaries, I thought, Oh my gosh, you know, I've done a lot of work implementing this kind of structure in my life, but I have only scratched the surface. And that's an I knew that my next book I am actually still shocked that I wrote an entire book on boundaries. I thought boundaries was like, do you kiss on the first day? I don't know what I thought I thought that sort of what boundaries were joking a little bit but um, But the reality is, is that they can protect you in your life and keep you in that state of happiness if that's what what your goal is. And I realized that there was so much power in those. So my, my goal now is, is reset talks about a lot of concepts at sort of a higher level. And now is to really dig in and those will be my next books there. You don't have to read you can read them all independently. But But this book, defining your boundaries is just that it's setting the this what is your standards? What are your goals in your life, and maybe your goal is happiness, and how do you stay in that space by by putting brown boundaries in your life? So yeah, so they were incredible books to write and extremely rewarding to to get feedback and yeah,


Freddy Owen: So fam Listen, we're gonna have all this information in the show notes in the show notes for this episode of Episode Number eight. But I want you to take advantage of actually going back there and grab on that book. Because it's always good to have that copy with you Just in case you have to reference back to it, you can highlight things. And you can learn a lot more about Jen by reading these books. So but she also has reset coaching. And is that for people that the book maybe not, maybe doesn't, maybe they need to go a little deeper with your concept.


Jen Sugermeyer: You know, I always encourage to have sort of that mentor that accountability. You know, yes, the book walkthrough at a high level if, you know, people can read that, and I would hope that they can do their own reset, but I would always encourage just to have someone to talk to you to have that accountability. And sometimes people read through the book and, you know, maybe it just takes a little bit deeper to walk with someone. So yes, I do offer one on one services and in at some point in the near future, we'll see Have an online independent coaching program as well. So I'll get that out there probably by 2021.


Freddy Owen: Fantastic. That's awesome. So that'll all be in the show notes. But now let's go to you like boxing, correct? I do. And are you actually a boxing fan? Are you just like boxing?


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Jen Sugermeyer: So I both boxing has been something that it came into my life I was going through divorce at the time and I think my friend knew that I needed a healthy outlet. And he encouraged me to take up kickboxing classes and I'm a little gumpy I you know, I don't play basketball, even though most everyone thinks I do. I'm not that coordinated. So I realized, you know, maybe kickboxing wasn't my thing, but I really enjoyed boxing. And so I started with one on one coaching, this was back in 2012. And here I am years later and and i still pick up the gloves. I've had various coaches. And yeah, I just I love getting in the ring. It's there's, there's something about it. But there is a mindset that it puts you in. It's an internal power that you know that you have. And so it's always come at a place in my life where I needed a healthy outlet. And it's an incredible workout as well. So yes, it's a crazy workout. We


Freddy Owen: have a thing that we were doing. It's either heavy bag downstairs in my basement. Three, three minute workout. six rounds, three minutes for six rounds, three minute rounds. That's oh my gosh, yeah, I can take a lot out of here. Yeah. And I've actually boxed of my pastor, my pastor was an MMA. He sent me to the hospital. He said, Fred, hit me at it. I'll hit you as hard as you hit me. Well, when you have technique, it's a little different. And he got me right in the side and once I felt like my spleen, exploded Ended up being bruised ribs, but still it hurt. It's definitely a sport that requires resilience, the heart of a lion, you know, and it's a good illustration, I think when it comes to life because you have to take the punches from all angles and when you get knocked down you have to get back up. So is have you actually bought somebody?


Jen Sugermeyer: Yeah, I've had broken ribs too. And it completely takes the wind out of you. And you know, it's it's, you do you have to keep your eyes open and it's one of the most intense I did I played the drums for a little bit. I'm sort of like, what do they call it a


Freddy Owen: jack of all trades.


Jen Sugermeyer: Yes. Thank you jack of all trades, master of none. So I think that's me, but I tried. I did I kept dating drummers. So I tried that and, and you know, once you get that fourth limb going, you're like, Oh my gosh, I can't do more than four. And I think boxing is even more intense because you think you have eight things going on and so you know, just trying to manage your both legs and both arms and You know your head and it's crazy.


Freddy Owen: I know it's funny because when I when I first started doing it, I in my mind, I looked like, you know, Mike Tyson out there I liked it. I was like, man, I probably look amazing. So then I recorded it. Let me just say I didn't look amazing, but I got better I got stronger in seriously fam, it's you. It's a workout to to actually get out there and just hit the heavy bag, but you can get a lot of aggression out. I used to get home. I had a bad day back in the day when I was working at the car dealership. Boom, boom, hit the heavy bag, and it's just it's a great workout. It's so much fun to do. And I definitely recommend you do it. And then but don't get your ribs. You know. I seriously went down like a sack of potatoes and my my pastor. He said I felt so bad man. I know what you got me what you got with the body punch. Okay. And he's been a professional fight so I was sort of dumb for doing it. But I always like to try different things. And I usually pay for it at the end but it was fun. So guys make sure that we do go back you go back to when we're fed calm, go on to the show notes. And you know, get all that Jen has to offer she has a free guide and learning how to love yourself you grab back there. Also her books take advantage of getting those as well as the reset coach and we'll have more information on that and all social media avenues of how you can get a hold of Jen and learn more about you know, what she's done and how she's overcome a lot of obstacles to become the best version of ourselves and you're still it's a work in progress correct?


Jen Sugermeyer: I think I will be until I die every day I think


Freddy Owen: We all are and until you realize that that we can all if you're not growing you're dying every day growing in my past okay that information to me. So but it's it's always stuck with me. If you're not growing, you're dying. So I don't care. how good of a funnel builder I am. I can always get better. Okay, if you say you've arrived, that's when you need to do a check. You know, you check yourself, look in the mirror and say, You know what, wait a second, maybe you haven't arrived because you can always get better no matter what. But I think it's awesome and I think that you guys need to go to the show notes and take advantage of all the gin has to offer. Let's go real quick back to fear. People fear a lot of things. I was very fearful I you know, doing Facebook Lives was one of my biggest fears I had for some reason I thought I was gonna be lambasted whatever I talked about I overthought it I had to have a special you know, real in depth, you know, in depth topic, when really if I could just talk about things that were on my mind, it was a conversation. So what do you do to conquer fear?


Jen Sugermeyer: You know, they say To conquer it is if you're afraid of heights, you got to jump out of a plane, I think you've really just got to face it in the mirror and put your mind wrapped around it and say I'm just moving moving forward. And, and face it head on. So I just try to get in the mindset. And, you know, you have to support the decision and the direction. So if you're kind of, I don't know, if I should do this, then it's gonna seem even more scary. But if you can wrap your mind when you say, you know what, I'm doing this, then.


Freddy Owen: Sorry, go ahead.


Jen Sugermeyer: Oh, no, and but if you wrap your mind around it, and you jump out of that plane, you're like, I'm doing this, you know, no one pushed me this was my decision. If you take accountability for all that and, um, you know it, it puts fear into a different perspective.


Freddy Owen: Have you ever jumped out of a plane?


Jen Sugermeyer: I have. I've done it a couple times. I love it.


Freddy Owen: I did too. And I want to tell you something. She's very correct in saying that because my pastor once again, Jeremy, if you're listening to this, this one You know, he's he's like, Man, you gotta try you know skydiving. So I bought it I pre bought it and I leading up to it. I was terrified and then they bring you in that room where you watch the guy in a beard. tell you that basically you could die and I watched this. Oh my gosh, the only reason I pay so I get in the plane. I had the smile on my face. It was a fake smile, to be honest with you at that point in time, and I'm looking at myself What am I doing? What am I doing I'm gonna jump out of a plane but I only reason I was doing it at that point in time was I paid 200 something dollars for it. I'm not gonna waste my money. It's already done.


Freddy Owen: So I get in the plane and I'm terrified but halfway up it was like a sense of peace came over me. And you jump but it is invigorating. It is craziest thing. And then you realize how much how many folds of skin you have on your face that are flopping around if they take the video of you is terrible. I was like, I don't know. Everybody was like, my gosh, what's wrong with your face like I'm Just like a lot of skin I guess but yeah bless conquer your fears. Just do it. You know, of course you want to think you know is it is a smart idea, you know you just don't jump out of a plane without a parachute. Right You know, but do it once you realize that you can do it do it. So I love it. So now it's time for the good old fashioned super hyper fast q&a round. So I'm gonna ask him questions pretty simple and no, there's no wrong answer. Okay here we go. So question number one if you could box any celebrity who would it be ny


Jen Sugermeyer: Oh my gosh. Ah. Any celebrity um Ah, gosh, I don't know, Muhmmaid Ali. I don't know cuz he's the best I don't know.


Freddy Owen: Muhammid Ali it's not a bad answer. Good luck with that. Something  I ask people all the time I go, Hey, listen, if you had a chance to get in the ring with Mike Tyson, and you're getting given $100,000, would you do it? And a lot of times they say, No, I do it. I would probably pay for it for the next six months, you know, in the hospital, but still, I would do it, you know, but just to experience it, but you know what, maybe I'll rethink that. Okay, so Muhammad Ali had a bad answer. What would you What was your strategy be for the zombie apocalypse?


Jen Sugermeyer: Um, I would find an underground space and I'd bring a lot of frosting in there with me and I have a good time.


Freddy Owen: I would have the forrest gump one. Forrest Gump philosophy run. But yes, I like the idea of the ice cream. You know, and having an underground bunker that's a good idea. If your life was made to a movie, what actor would play you?


Jen Sugermeyer: I'm probably going to say her name wrong but gal, Godot


Freddy Owen: Galaga. gal gal.


Jen Sugermeyer: Yeah gal get out tea. Tea tea tea or tea? She's Israeli. She Yeah, she she played Wonder Woman. Oh, okay.


Freddy Owen: Yeah, yeah, okay. I never knew her name. I just thought of her as the Wonder Woman. And then favorite episode of Seinfeld.


Jen Sugermeyer: No soup for you.


Freddy Owen: No soup for you. That's a very very good episode. I love that episode. Okay, now bonus question. Jerry Elaine, Georgia Kramer. If you haven't known if you don't know why now, I am a huge Seinfeld fanatic. I love Seinfeld. He got me through a lot of hard times. I would get home and I would watch Seinfeld and I still watched to this day. I can rewatch it. I love the episodes. Jerry Elaine George or Kramer. Who would you want to have as a neighbor and why?


Jen Sugermeyer: Kramer


Freddy Owen: I picked the same one. Yes Kramer Why?


Jen Sugermeyer: Cuz he makes me laugh. Who does? laughs just he's just just come in my house and shake that hair around and just


Freddy Owen: be real he is a mooch.


Jen Sugermeyer: I mean there's at least some I get a laugh.


Freddy Owen: I wouldn't have it you know people come people come into my house got friends and they're like take Can I get some blood drinking like bro This is your house man. Go ahead make yourself at home. You know be like Kramer. I always said be like Kramer. That's fine. I don't care. And yeah, I have a I have a blast watching them. So Kramer and the Soup Nazi? Yes. Excellent answers. So we're going to end off with this, john. First of all, I want to thank you so much for being on your story. And I love to have you on again in the future when you write your next book. And guys, please make sure guys and gals make sure that you go to the show notes, check all that Jen has to offer all the information will be there. And the final thought that you want to give to the radio show fam, that you can feel have the biggest impact on them that they can start today. Right? Now,


Jen Sugermeyer: it comes down to those seven words that were for me, and it's learning to love yourself. And again, if I could go back to my 12 year old self when I started down this road of self destruction, then I could look at her and tell her one thing. I would say, You know what? Being you is enough. And it's not trying to be someone else. It is connecting with yourself. It doesn't matter if you're tall. It doesn't matter if you're fat. If you're short. It doesn't matter what color you are connecting with yourself. And when you have that support internally, you can overcome you can do anything.


Freddy Owen: You're a rock star, Jen, I sincerely appreciate you being on today.


Jen Sugermeyer:  Yeah, thanks again for having me.


Freddy Owen: You got it. A huge thank you to today's guest Jen Sugermeyer. It's a true honor. Also, thank you to you as well for tuning in today's episode of the radio show. Also make sure that you head over to win with Fred calm to check out the show notes. All the gin has to offer it'll be well worth your time to do that. Episode Number eight in the box. This is Freddie yo and until next time, stay focused. stay humble and always stay hungry.

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